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you have to admit that was a pretty

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interesting opening wasn't it

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that's what happens when we start at the

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very last second I was uploading

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something and everything went crazy

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welcome to the show everyone my name is

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Martin Willis and I'd like to dedicate

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this show

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to a long time listener it was back in

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2012. I got an email from a gentleman

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named Lee McDonald up in Canada and uh

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hilarious absolutely hilarious and

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people may remember him from the chat

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room he was in the chat room many years

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cracking some wonderful jokes uh he

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passed away uh not that long ago this

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year now Lee uh was someone that was a

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firefighter himself he did a dedication

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for 911 uh the people of that and I'm

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going to play that poem that he wrote uh

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him reciting it

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at the very end of the show it's about

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four minutes and it's quite moving

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um it's called calling all angels and

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it's for fallen firefighters uh which he

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was one he was a captain in the fire

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department and up near Ontario Ontario

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he himself uh was in a building that

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collapsed and he thought he wasn't going

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to make it he told me the details quite

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a while ago about it and he was rescued

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by fellow firefighters

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um and and just you know he he thought

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year uh cancer uh took him and he tried

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on Facebook and he was extremely

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optimistic that he was going to beat it

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that I'm dying and I don't believe him I

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feel so good and he really had a great

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attitude but you may remember him from

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all the funny stuff that he would put in

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here this email here hey Martin yeah

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well first of all he wrote me in the

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subject line fortunately it doesn't show

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there he said he had a new tagline for

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me instead of Keep Your Eyes to the Sky

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I should say always stare up there

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and then he said he was listening

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tonight this is back in 2016 but he

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couldn't get into the chat room and so

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he was typing telepathically so that was

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a kind of emails and texts and things

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that I would get from him anyway I hope

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he rests in peace he was a great man

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so a little bit about the show tonight

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we have a great guest repeat guest I

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always love having him on he's always

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been very active in the UFO World Peter

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Robbins and I consider him a good friend

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as well he's been traveling all over the

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place he's going to talk a little bit

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about that then we're going to talk

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about something pretty interesting and

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it's vilham and uh what he did and his

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connection to UFOs the cloud busting

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machine and all that stuff so uh and

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then also we're going to talk a little

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bit about what's changed since the last

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time Peter was on it's been a while he

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was on on my 10th anniversary but um

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it's been a while since he's been a

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guest on my show and if you support our

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show I want to thank you very much

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anyone can do that you just go over to

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podcast UFO and on the menu bar you see

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think it's two dollars or more a month

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you can help us out and this week the

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blog by Charles Lear is a photo

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of a UFO and humanoid it's probably kind

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of an iffy photo it's a pretty good

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looking photo too but uh anyway check

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that blog out that'll be an audio blog

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as they always are up on YouTube and in

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the podcast stream so that is enough for

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me I well I'm very happy to bring in my

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guest Peter welcome to show Peter Thanks

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Martin good to be back with you yes

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always Peter and you just told me you

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were all over the place all over the

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world actually

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England and everywhere so uh but you're

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where I live the traffic you might as

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well just park your car somewhere you

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I didn't come down because of that

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of concern like every other event on the

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calendar I'm honored to be a co-founder

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of the Exeter New Hampshire UFO Festival

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it's distinguished by the fact that once

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all the bills are paid speakers receive

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their honorariums the hall is covered

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returning or returning in numbers and

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the incident at Exeter I think everybody

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had a great time as well and that was I

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UFO conference in Edinburg Texas which

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cultural experience of that kind

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that's right and it was very welcome

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much and people are still living amid

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this island and in some cases carried

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a farm field you know half a mile in

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busy and that happens sometimes but uh

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so much like your childhood citing that

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this person I don't know you must have

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missed it yeah please resend it yeah I

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remember exactly what it was but there

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like there was so much that was close to

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yours that um I wanted to connect to you

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too and you know now that I brought that

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that's really what got you interested in

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massive repressed memory of My Life

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people that if I have other repressed

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um but this was a very unambiguous

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in at a high rate of speed and stopping

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precise V as in Victor type formation

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edge of each that we could only

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it really overloaded my circuits I I was

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a very naive kid growing up in a simpler

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time I really didn't have an interest in

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this subject I certainly had other

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interests but the only connection I had

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the B movies that I grew up on and would

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occasionally see you know with my

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friends at our local theater on a

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things triggered that memory and it came

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roaring back like a freight train

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repress the most profoundly memorable

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memory of your life on a certain level

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but we can do it

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and

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um I really gave some thought before I

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telephone my sister because I did not

283
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want to just blurt out what I remembered

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and have her say yes or no that would

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not really constitute confirmation for

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me so by the time I called her I was

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able to just say I've had a memory

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return set the scene the time of day the

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weather where we were standing in

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relation to each other and she just cut

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me off and said I know what you're

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talking about

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and we very quickly dispense with the

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matter

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but that's when my life completely

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changed and she said but there's more

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and then went on to describe to me

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a series of very conscious memories

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things she had never forgotten

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but never felt compelled to talk about

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either

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of what we would now regard as extremely

303
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archetypical classic

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UFO Abduction related memories

305
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being lifted into the air being walked

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through a curved metal hallway of beings

307
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that we would Now call Grays although

308
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that term didn't exist

309
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when we first discussed this back in the

310
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1970s and I thought for a moment my

311
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sister must be

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going crazy or not telling the truth

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but then you catch yourself say ah five

314
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seconds ago it was all right

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for five

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disc shaped objects close enough to see

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windows on them to be hanging over the

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Parker's house but Helen's crazy

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and you know Martin people say

320
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um

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the phrase my life changed overnight

322
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mine changed in about 90 seconds I

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really

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was lucky enough as a young person

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to know what I wanted to do and be good

326
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at it and by the time this memory

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resurfaced I was in my late 20s and I

328
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was pursuing a career as a painter in

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lower Manhattan and living that dream

330
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but this became an obsession what had

331
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happened to my sister

332
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and never having heard of I didn't know

333
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there were UFO conferences I didn't know

334
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there were people

335
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Like Me Now who did this you know it was

336
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fairly serious work or

337
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it was a land unto itself but my

338
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career train kind of jumped the tracks

339
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and here I am all these years later

340
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doing this

341
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right now I know

342
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um you your sister was beautiful she was

343
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also a rock star and unfortunately we

344
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lost her

345
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um over the years and it was a great a

346
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terrible loss so

347
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um but I do I have that right she was

348
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wasn't she you do a musician and doing

349
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pretty well as a musician yes Helen was

350
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a golden platinum record award-winning

351
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singer-songwriter who wrote that's

352
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amazing songs for the Blue Oyster Cult

353
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um performed with her band for 10 years

354
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in the greater New York area

355
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um a marvelous Lyricist and an

356
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electrifying performer who was one of

357
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the Vanguard of that first wave of

358
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what became called punk music I mean she

359
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opened for

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the talking heads for Iggy for Ramones

361
00:16:23,930 --> 00:16:21,420
um wow

362
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uh kind of the pantheon

363
00:16:29,629 --> 00:16:26,880
um and without realizing that you were

364
00:16:32,930 --> 00:16:29,639
kind of at this a moment in pop music

365
00:16:36,889 --> 00:16:32,940
history I went along for the ride and uh

366
00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:36,899
it was but she passed in in 2000 uh

367
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following complications from a surgery

368
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:42,899
but her music is out there and she had a

369
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lot of courage in being a very public

370
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:48,540
person about this subject back when

371
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there weren't a lot of them

372
00:16:55,850 --> 00:16:53,519
right is that right see that see this

373
00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:55,860
someone just said Helen Wheels that's it

374
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that was really performing name yeah

375
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having nothing to do as people

376
00:17:05,449 --> 00:17:02,420
occasionally ask with the Paul McCartney

377
00:17:08,750 --> 00:17:05,459
song of that name which came out several

378
00:17:11,630 --> 00:17:08,760
years before she was Christian Helen

379
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:11,640
Wheels a pun on the fact that she could

380
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:14,640
be Hell on Wheels by uh the lead singer

381
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:17,520
of the one of the other original hole

382
00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:20,720
punk band Vanguard bands the dictators

383
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:23,040
handsome dick Manitoba gave her that

384
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:24,720
name and it stuck

385
00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:27,360
ah how about that I'm having a little

386
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bit of technical issues Peter and uh so

387
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I'm going to ask you a question and have

388
00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:33,540
you talk I'm going to leave the studio

389
00:17:38,029 --> 00:17:34,980
and come back in you're not going to go

390
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:38,039
anywhere but uh so let's see if that

391
00:17:43,549 --> 00:17:40,320
will make a difference if I reboot or

392
00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:43,559
something like that sure so let's uh

393
00:17:48,409 --> 00:17:45,660
um I don't want to miss anything we're

394
00:17:51,049 --> 00:17:48,419
going to talk about him right a little

395
00:17:53,930 --> 00:17:51,059
bit but so I want I'm trying to think of

396
00:17:55,549 --> 00:17:53,940
what can get you on for a topic that you

397
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:55,559
can speak on for a while and I know

398
00:17:58,909 --> 00:17:56,640
you're very good at speaking about

399
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,919
anything so I guess I'll ask you this

400
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:00,480
when you go to

401
00:18:10,270 --> 00:18:06,240
your conference of what is uh your

402
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:10,280
subject that you pick and about at a UFO

403
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:13,200
conference like you said you did in

404
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:14,880
Texas someone in England and stuff like

405
00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:16,799
so if you wouldn't mind just addressing

406
00:18:21,169 --> 00:18:18,120
a little bit of that and I'll be right

407
00:18:22,909 --> 00:18:21,179
back all right all right okay I'll be

408
00:18:25,630 --> 00:18:22,919
right back

409
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:25,640
well uh following on Martin's request

410
00:18:30,890 --> 00:18:29,280
the Edinburgh UFO Festival and

411
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:30,900
Conference

412
00:18:35,770 --> 00:18:32,880
um again

413
00:18:39,529 --> 00:18:35,780
maybe 20 minutes from the

414
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:39,539
Mexican-American border and a part of

415
00:18:47,630 --> 00:18:42,080
America that has been culturally Mexican

416
00:18:49,250 --> 00:18:47,640
Mexican-American for 150 years and it

417
00:18:51,890 --> 00:18:49,260
was a wonderful culture to be immersed

418
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,900
in and I had given them as I sometimes

419
00:18:57,010 --> 00:18:54,240
do and I'm asked to speak

420
00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:57,020
half a dozen eight different

421
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,679
subjects that um I could lecture on or

422
00:19:07,789 --> 00:19:03,600
if they had something in particular they

423
00:19:08,770 --> 00:19:07,799
wanted me to discuss and they chose what

424
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:08,780
was

425
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:13,200
the most well-known uh and best

426
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:14,640
documented

427
00:19:19,970 --> 00:19:17,760
UFO incident in the history of the

428
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:19,980
Soviet Union

429
00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:24,720
um barring the tunguska event in 1908

430
00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:27,660
which is still somewhat mysterious this

431
00:19:33,710 --> 00:19:30,360
happened in the Russian city of vorenos

432
00:19:38,330 --> 00:19:33,720
and I'm sure pronouncing that wrong in

433
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,340
1989 with the landing of a fully

434
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,400
articulated

435
00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:42,960
unidentified flying object a machine of

436
00:19:50,110 --> 00:19:47,160
undetermined origin in a public park in

437
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:50,120
the city which is about 300 miles south

438
00:19:56,510 --> 00:19:54,480
southeast of Moscow and afternoon time

439
00:19:59,570 --> 00:19:56,520
as school was getting out a lot of kid

440
00:20:00,350 --> 00:19:59,580
Witnesses a lot of adult Witnesses

441
00:20:02,750 --> 00:20:00,360
um

442
00:20:05,690 --> 00:20:02,760
local investigators coming into the area

443
00:20:08,770 --> 00:20:05,700
almost immediately and collecting

444
00:20:11,330 --> 00:20:08,780
samples documenting the

445
00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:11,340
anomalous changes to the organic

446
00:20:15,730 --> 00:20:14,460
material that this incident so to say

447
00:20:18,110 --> 00:20:15,740
bumped up against

448
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:18,120
but they had asked me to give the talk

449
00:20:22,909 --> 00:20:21,120
in part because it was a younger

450
00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:22,919
audience and they wanted it to be

451
00:20:28,130 --> 00:20:24,900
something of a history lesson because

452
00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:28,140
the event superimposed itself on the

453
00:20:33,409 --> 00:20:30,900
disintegration of the Soviet Union and I

454
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:33,419
ended up corresponding for several years

455
00:20:39,549 --> 00:20:37,200
and becoming quite close with a Russian

456
00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:39,559
Professor also ufologist

457
00:20:45,470 --> 00:20:43,140
Inverness and it made a kind of a unique

458
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:45,480
investigation otherwise

459
00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:48,320
the talks that I gave this year

460
00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:52,620
were variations on a subject that has

461
00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:54,780
fascinated me for decades

462
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:56,820
and that I've spoken on occasionally but

463
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:00,000
I finally came back to and pulled

464
00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:02,820
together as a full documented

465
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,380
presentation

466
00:21:07,789 --> 00:21:06,240
and it's something that's occurred to

467
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:07,799
most people who have some interest in

468
00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:08,820
UFOs

469
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,740
but then you move on to other things

470
00:21:15,409 --> 00:21:12,720
which is

471
00:21:18,490 --> 00:21:15,419
the ridicule attached to the subject has

472
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,500
been ferocious for most of the time

473
00:21:24,289 --> 00:21:21,120
since the beginning of the Modern Age of

474
00:21:27,049 --> 00:21:24,299
UFOs in 1947 when we

475
00:21:29,450 --> 00:21:27,059
there are earlier events but that's when

476
00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:29,460
it's officially dated from by most folks

477
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,000
and how it came to pass that almost

478
00:21:37,549 --> 00:21:34,799
instantaneously

479
00:21:40,669 --> 00:21:37,559
in the summer of 1947

480
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,679
the American public and by extension the

481
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,240
Western world

482
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,360
had their brains rewired in a way

483
00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:47,039
to

484
00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:52,020
simply stating

485
00:21:56,570 --> 00:21:54,659
that they had seen something in the sky

486
00:21:58,370 --> 00:21:56,580
that was unusual that they had never

487
00:22:00,590 --> 00:21:58,380
seen before that they didn't recognize

488
00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:00,600
that maneuvered in a manner that they

489
00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:02,700
were unfamiliar with

490
00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:06,120
which seems like a perfectly

491
00:22:10,669 --> 00:22:08,460
logical

492
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:10,679
thing to be curious about

493
00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:14,640
but to respond not by saying or thinking

494
00:22:18,529 --> 00:22:16,980
gee that's interesting I wonder what it

495
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:18,539
was too

496
00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:22,500
but by responding or thinking what's

497
00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:25,020
wrong with this person are they mentally

498
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:29,460
ill do they want to feel special do they

499
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:31,140
think this is going to make them wealthy

500
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:34,980
or famous do they uh have a desire to

501
00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:37,500
con me is this some kind of hoax are

502
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:39,000
they a member of a cult

503
00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:41,700
none of it makes sense at all

504
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:44,840
and so I really started to dig into it

505
00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:48,600
and to try to find the actual mechanisms

506
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:50,700
and

507
00:23:02,630 --> 00:22:59,280
I wrote

508
00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:02,640
to trace it down to key individuals

509
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:05,220
within the Truman Administration and

510
00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,640
within the major world of mass media

511
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:10,740
which at the time was dominated by

512
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:14,159
newspapers it's 1947. anyway

513
00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:15,480
um

514
00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:19,320
once I finished my final variation on

515
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,900
the presentation in Exeter that gets

516
00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:23,760
filed and move on to

517
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,340
other material that I'm developing for

518
00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:28,799
my own curiosity and research and for

519
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,600
future presentations

520
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:33,600
excellent well yes I'm I'm sorry I

521
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,820
couldn't I mean I did reboot and it

522
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:36,960
seems much better now and everything

523
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:40,080
seems fine but um I thought the days of

524
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:42,539
rebooting computers was over you know

525
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:44,220
remember we used to have to reboot them

526
00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:46,260
all the time yeah even just the word

527
00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:48,780
alone sounds so wonderfully dated uh in

528
00:23:52,270 --> 00:23:50,280
my ear

529
00:23:55,549 --> 00:23:52,280
um yeah I think just as a footnote

530
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:55,559
Exeter TV the local television network

531
00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:58,799
in Exeter New Hampshire they ran the AV

532
00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:01,500
and they filmed all the talks and I

533
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:03,720
think this week and I guess it's Exeter

534
00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:06,720
tv.com I'm not sure they're starting to

535
00:24:11,690 --> 00:24:09,179
make them available the Talks by the

536
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,700
various presenters and it was a terrific

537
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,159
group of presentations I must say yeah

538
00:24:18,529 --> 00:24:16,260
my friend Paulino is always there was

539
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,539
been there this year too yes they did

540
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,460
their usual radio show live from the

541
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,039
event yeah with all of the speakers and

542
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:26,640
Q a and gave a terrific talk together

543
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:29,580
once again as always they are perennials

544
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:32,280
at this event and much be loved you know

545
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:34,260
it's it's something you know you talk

546
00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:35,039
about

547
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:37,020
um covid and what it's changed and

548
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,240
everyone holding back and same thing I'm

549
00:24:45,409 --> 00:24:42,240
on my way to Phoenix later on uh uh

550
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:45,419
actually doing on my second talk on the

551
00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:48,539
UFO Topic in uh and shag Harbor coming

552
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,720
up October 1st terrific and Phoenix I'm

553
00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:54,480
going to help and my friend Donna and I

554
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,700
are both going out there and it's going

555
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,039
to be a lot of fun like it always is but

556
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:01,679
it's been was it three years it's been

557
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:03,960
two years two years that it was uh

558
00:25:07,010 --> 00:25:04,980
virtual

559
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:07,020
and I think the same thing's going to

560
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,820
happen there I think there's going to be

561
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:11,520
a lot of people coming and I'm as I

562
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:15,059
mentioned the last show uh that if

563
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:17,159
you're going to be out in Phoenix please

564
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:19,260
do send me an email at Martin podcast

565
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,480
ufo.com and I'm sorry I haven't

566
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:23,100
responded to the people that wrote last

567
00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:25,380
week but uh that doesn't mean uh I'm

568
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:26,760
going to put you all in one area and I'm

569
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,779
gonna

570
00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:30,480
text you all and and uh it'll be nice to

571
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,279
catch up with people and I may do a

572
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,799
round robin I'd like to invite people to

573
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:36,720
be in the audience of the round robin as

574
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:40,260
well but um I do think that you know I

575
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,580
mean there's going to be some people

576
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:43,500
wearing masks I know there's still a

577
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,240
problem it's not like this thing has

578
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:47,520
gone away there's you know I I had

579
00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:50,039
people I I was at an estate sale I had

580
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:53,100
an estate sale last weekend and you know

581
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,320
there were some people that walked in

582
00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:57,600
and not wearing a mask in the day before

583
00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:59,159
the woman was in her car and she said

584
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,140
she had coveted and I recognized her she

585
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,840
came in without a mask so I mean it's it

586
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,700
with that type of thing you know it

587
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,559
that's just irresponsible yeah

588
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,080
incredibly irresponsible and greedy too

589
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:13,679
yeah in a way yes but anyway I think

590
00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:15,659
that for the most part that these

591
00:26:20,029 --> 00:26:18,299
conferences people have you know spent a

592
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,039
few years and they're they're dying to

593
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:22,080
get out and I think uh they're going to

594
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:23,640
be successful so it doesn't surprise me

595
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:26,700
at all about the 600 people but I want

596
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:29,159
to ask you this did more were there

597
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:32,520
people at the end because that's meaning

598
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:34,679
that they're really interested in their

599
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:37,020
and I think that there are more people

600
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:40,020
interested than than ever before at this

601
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:42,120
time there's certainly were Martin

602
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:43,500
although

603
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:46,620
always almost always noticeably Less in

604
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:50,940
this case the last presenter finished at

605
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:53,100
five o'clock each day and that second

606
00:26:58,610 --> 00:26:55,980
day you know most folks are traveling

607
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,620
many of them by car and in some cases

608
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,960
considerable distances I

609
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:02,940
like some of the other speakers stayed

610
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:06,539
over that final Sunday night because I

611
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:09,480
and a colleague of mine had a a six or

612
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:13,080
seven or hour drive back to uh the

613
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:14,940
Ithaca New York area and Central New

614
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,000
York state so not something you want to

615
00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:20,760
start out at at six in the evening but

616
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:23,880
again a very successful conference very

617
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,179
well run and as I understand it we

618
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:30,480
raised more for children's services than

619
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:32,520
we ever have before and it's usually

620
00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:34,140
pretty considerable so we're all very

621
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,179
proud of that yeah that's excellent I'll

622
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,000
try to make it next year

623
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:40,320
and I've said that I've been there a few

624
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:42,179
times the last time I was there Stanton

625
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:44,460
Friedman was there and uh you'll

626
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,200
remember that one and uh it was so funny

627
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,760
these young girls went around him with

628
00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:49,860
aliens big blow up aliens they're all

629
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:52,020
excited he's free was friendly to

630
00:27:57,529 --> 00:27:55,620
everybody uh it was great it was great

631
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:57,539
um so I want to talk a little bit

632
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,020
because uh I did uh I did some homework

633
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:03,360
yesterday because I wanted to talk about

634
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:06,299
vilham Reich in his cloud-busting

635
00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:08,279
machine his connection

636
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:10,380
um to UFOs I know you did some work on

637
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:13,140
that and uh I've always wanted to talk

638
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:16,140
to you about that because it his last

639
00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:18,600
place was right in the state of Maine so

640
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:21,380
my friend and I drove up there yesterday

641
00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:24,419
and here's the uh that was his home

642
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:25,400
right

643
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,179
that is the building is called organon

644
00:28:36,289 --> 00:28:33,360
um it it was his home but it was also

645
00:28:39,289 --> 00:28:36,299
his laboratory his Observer his

646
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:39,299
Observatory and his art studio

647
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:42,120
um and examination rooms and library in

648
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:44,940
fact it was designed in such

649
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:48,779
um a functional organic way that every

650
00:28:55,210 --> 00:28:51,480
visit I've made there I I just am taken

651
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,220
aback at how

652
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,140
sensible how really brilliant in a quiet

653
00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:01,020
sort of way the structure is you move

654
00:29:06,049 --> 00:29:03,480
from environment to environment it's

655
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:06,059
built mostly with these old fieldstones

656
00:29:10,269 --> 00:29:08,220
from the original Farmhouse that it

657
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:10,279
replaced on the estate that Reich bought

658
00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,740
in the early 1950s when he moved to

659
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:16,020
Maine and

660
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:17,340
um

661
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:18,899
it

662
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:21,659
I should I should say here that I first

663
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,640
was introduced to the writings of

664
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:25,740
Wilhelm Reich when I was still a

665
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:28,860
teenager and

666
00:29:34,909 --> 00:29:32,100
the science that he pioneered which he

667
00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:34,919
called organomy people get caught up on

668
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,000
on Words especially if the content can

669
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:41,279
make them feel uneasy yeah and a lot of

670
00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:44,700
you know the root word organism Etc

671
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:51,230
the science of how energy functions in

672
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:53,940
the living and the non-living Realms and

673
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,940
as a result in his 45-year or so

674
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:00,000
exploration as a scientist as a

675
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:04,140
psychotherapist as a social historian uh

676
00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:06,179
has a brilliant Observer of The Human

677
00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:07,740
Condition

678
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:13,380
if you're not aware of the

679
00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:14,820
that the thread that runs through

680
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:16,679
everything is about the study of energy

681
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:19,740
it seems kind of slip shot or Helter

682
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:23,340
Skelter he researched and explored areas

683
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:26,760
as diverse as weather formation human

684
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:29,760
behavior cancer formation

685
00:30:36,610 --> 00:30:32,760
um the raising of healthy children

686
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,620
how galaxies form how organisms split

687
00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:37,760
[Music]

688
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:39,320
fascism

689
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,679
versus democracy but it was like a gun

690
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:46,320
sight straight through these areas of

691
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:49,260
study the last of which he focused on in

692
00:30:56,649 --> 00:30:52,740
his last years having to do with the UFO

693
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:56,659
phenomena fairly recent at that time but

694
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:01,140
just forewarned there is no way that we

695
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:03,480
can do this subject

696
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:06,600
any real Justice here other than kind of

697
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,600
looking across the landscape of the work

698
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:12,240
and you know answering whatever specific

699
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:16,380
questions I can I will say that for

700
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:20,460
people interested in UFOs

701
00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:21,240
um

702
00:31:30,130 --> 00:31:25,640
who study or who read his last book

703
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,140
called contact with space it can be over

704
00:31:35,529 --> 00:31:32,399
romanticized and I would say that it's

705
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:35,539
probably the worst book to read first

706
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:38,880
because it's the culmination again in 45

707
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:41,340
years of work going back to His

708
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,240
Brilliant years as uh Freud's first

709
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:47,760
assistant in the later 1920s in Vienna

710
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:52,740
right and managing to escape well

711
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,559
Hitler literally as the the doors were

712
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:57,840
closing and then being a refugee in

713
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:00,779
Europe for years until he was invited to

714
00:32:06,830 --> 00:32:04,620
speak uh to be a instructor at the new

715
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:06,840
school for social research in New York

716
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:08,760
in nineteen

717
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:10,740
41 or so

718
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:14,880
um but for me he was a millennial genius

719
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,620
and

720
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:19,200
there is no other philosopher scientist

721
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:21,779
social thinker who has had a more

722
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:24,539
profound effect on my thinking and the

723
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:26,220
way that I see

724
00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:28,740
the world as it is

725
00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:29,940
um

726
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:33,000
contact with space for what it's worth

727
00:32:37,389 --> 00:32:34,380
um was

728
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:37,399
published a month after Reich died in

729
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:41,220
1957. uh it was published by sumasly and

730
00:32:48,169 --> 00:32:45,179
only 500 copies were ever printed so if

731
00:32:49,149 --> 00:32:48,179
you have an original copy of it hold on

732
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:49,159
to it

733
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:52,260
there are uh reproductions of the book

734
00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:54,299
that are available through the Wilhelm

735
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:56,940
Reich Museum bookstore which is easy

736
00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:00,320
enough to find online and

737
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:04,260
I my first 10 years of of studying his

738
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:05,640
work

739
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:08,880
um really the subject of his UFO

740
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:11,100
involvement interested me least of all

741
00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:13,080
because again I was repressing that

742
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,940
memory and that part of his work didn't

743
00:33:20,509 --> 00:33:17,760
interest me and then quite radically it

744
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:20,519
did and I ended up

745
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:23,640
realizing I was obsessed in a way that

746
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,100
was unhealthy with what the hell

747
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:28,440
happened to my sister and what was this

748
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:31,080
phenomena and what was it all about

749
00:33:35,769 --> 00:33:33,480
and I for the first time in my life felt

750
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:35,779
I really needed a therapist and

751
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:38,519
remembered Reich has had an involvement

752
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:40,440
in this subject and quite a remarkable

753
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:43,559
one and that his first assistant for the

754
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,299
last 11 years of his life

755
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:47,760
I did a little looking into and learned

756
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,279
that Dr Ellsworth F Baker

757
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:52,620
in his later 70s was alive and well and

758
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,840
still practicing in the method that

759
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,880
Reich had instructed him in

760
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,519
both in his home office in Red Bank New

761
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:01,860
Jersey in an office that he'd had for

762
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:03,480
years on the Upper East Side in

763
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:06,840
Manhattan and after an initial contact

764
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:09,839
with him I decided to go into therapy

765
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:11,940
with him and did for almost seven years

766
00:34:17,090 --> 00:34:14,339
and it was one of the smartest and most

767
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:17,100
valuable things I ever did for myself

768
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:17,399
[Music]

769
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:18,599
um

770
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:21,839
I will also say that

771
00:34:28,129 --> 00:34:24,780
the cloud Buster which along with the

772
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,139
orgone energy accumulator often referred

773
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:31,200
to usually derogatorily as the orgone

774
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:32,240
Box

775
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:35,760
these are simple laboratory devices but

776
00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:39,839
there that is what remains of the very

777
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:41,820
first cloudbuster it doesn't bear much

778
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:45,599
of resemblance to more modern ones and

779
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:48,720
the best I can do is tell you that

780
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:51,659
the accumulator which came first

781
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,980
and one made for a person might be the

782
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,320
size of an old-fashioned phone booth

783
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,440
it's basically layers of organic and

784
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:04,560
inorganic material for example

785
00:35:13,390 --> 00:35:08,880
um steel wool and plywood and the more

786
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,400
layers the more potential it has for

787
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:15,839
capturing and holding energy organic

788
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:18,380
material holds energy

789
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:22,500
metallic material reflects energy and

790
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:27,119
they work you feel a genuine uh

791
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:31,800
difference in the way that you feel they

792
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:40,310
a better sense of well-being

793
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:41,520
um

794
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:45,180
in some cases fighting certain diseases

795
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:49,140
and conditions the cloud Buster is

796
00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:53,760
simply a series of long metal pipes and

797
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,619
Mark experimented with different Metals

798
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:57,720
for some time before hitting on the ones

799
00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:01,740
that were Optimum that are then attached

800
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,839
to hollow Industrial Level BX cable

801
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:08,460
we're all familiar with the BX cable

802
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:12,119
that runs through our homes but a actual

803
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,140
working Cloud Buster to address an

804
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:17,760
atmospheric condition

805
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:20,940
uses this larger cable material very

806
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,060
flexible and they are simply attached at

807
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:26,640
the back of these tubes and the cables

808
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:29,760
themselves empty of the wiring are then

809
00:36:38,109 --> 00:36:34,440
grounded in running water or a well or a

810
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:38,119
pond and the water is a natural

811
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,000
energetic attractor and when the pipes

812
00:36:49,210 --> 00:36:44,520
are aimed in a certain direction

813
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:49,220
it draws energy to it in the atmosphere

814
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:52,500
and in the case of a stagnant atmosphere

815
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:55,980
as we find in a drought it gets the

816
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:58,260
atmosphere moving again and what Reich

817
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:00,060
was able to do

818
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:03,720
and I only wish that there were

819
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:06,119
more people in mainstream science that

820
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,800
would at least try to replicate some of

821
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,540
these experiments for themselves to see

822
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:12,240
how brilliantly they work

823
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:12,900
um

824
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:16,020
it can break droughts in fact the

825
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:17,400
leading

826
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:20,460
um individual in the world who did more

827
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:21,960
of this work certainly than Reich or

828
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:25,140
anyone else Dr James demaio whose

829
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:27,780
laboratory uh you know there's a another

830
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:30,420
variation uh whose laboratory was

831
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:32,820
outside of Ashland Oregon passed away

832
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:34,740
earlier this year Jim was an old friend

833
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,040
of mine going back to the 70s and he

834
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:40,320
broke droughts over the years

835
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:42,359
for the French government the German

836
00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:47,099
government Israel Eritrea

837
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,540
it works

838
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:51,359
but because of the controversy which is

839
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:53,220
not unlike the controversy surrounding

840
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:55,800
taking UFO seriously at least until

841
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:57,480
recently

842
00:38:01,970 --> 00:37:59,460
he always had to sign non-disclosure

843
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,980
agreements you know as far as major

844
00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:04,320
publicity of the fact that this

845
00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:12,550
Reich was seen

846
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,820
by officialdom to a degree at the time

847
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:19,760
of his coming over to the United States

848
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:24,540
as a potential security threat he was

849
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,700
the most virulent anti-communist person

850
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,280
you could imagine but you know he was an

851
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,720
Eastern European guy and you got to keep

852
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:32,940
an eye on those people and a doctor and

853
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,400
you know spoke with an accent so you

854
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:36,480
never know

855
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,280
uh but in the FDA at the time because

856
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,640
there is no question that in many cases

857
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:47,280
of people who used

858
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:48,119
um

859
00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:53,579
word

860
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:56,579
for energy it would be the same as the

861
00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:59,220
19th century the victorians referring to

862
00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:01,859
the ether or Hindu culture referring to

863
00:39:10,490 --> 00:39:05,300
The Prana that the Oregon energy

864
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:10,500
enhanced uh one's ability to build up

865
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,800
tolerance to pleasure something sadly

866
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:16,380
that our culture is lacking into a great

867
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:21,780
degree and experience Fuller more uh

868
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:26,160
um pleasurable orgasms as well as a

869
00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:28,859
deeper sense of feeling in general and

870
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:30,780
so he was immediately labeled a sex

871
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:35,160
quack in the 40s by the FDA but they

872
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:36,780
were never able to get anybody to

873
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,740
complain

874
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:41,040
no patient no individual that had ever

875
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:42,599
worked with them or had ever used any of

876
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:45,720
the medical equipment that

877
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,420
working from his schematics or that was

878
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:51,680
produced by uh his his laboratory

879
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:55,380
ever had an issue with it ever

880
00:40:01,790 --> 00:39:58,680
but then the FDA was able to push

881
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:01,800
through legislation to

882
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:04,980
um at least halt Interstate shipping as

883
00:40:08,530 --> 00:40:07,260
experimental medical devices which is

884
00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:08,540
certainly fine

885
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:12,740
unfortunately one of his Physicians

886
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:14,520
completely

887
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:18,420
forgot and on a certain order shipped

888
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:20,820
panels for an accumulator

889
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:24,180
from Rangeley Maine to New York State

890
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:26,520
and they had him on a technicality

891
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:30,300
and Reich who was brilliant but in some

892
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:31,220
ways

893
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:32,760
idealistic

894
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,160
in a way that did not serve him decided

895
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:37,440
that if he was going to trial he would

896
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:40,680
use it as an opportunity to prove the

897
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:42,780
viability and the reality of the science

898
00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:45,000
that he had developed and the judge

899
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:47,180
would have none of it he lost the case

900
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,500
and was sentenced to a year in prison in

901
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:55,200
um where he died right

902
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:58,200
yes Lewisburg federal penitentiary in

903
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:01,020
Pennsylvania where he was found dead in

904
00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:03,960
his cell about a week before he was

905
00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:08,099
scheduled for parole release and don't

906
00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:11,700
it's so uh easy to understand some folks

907
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:14,520
jumping to the conclusion myself as well

908
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:17,339
originally that this might have been

909
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:22,260
some foul play it might have been but he

910
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:24,780
being imprisoned with a life dedicated

911
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,160
to literally to freedom and nature and

912
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:31,500
natural functioning that had to be

913
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:34,020
crushing to him plus he was a chain

914
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:35,339
smoker

915
00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:38,220
shot of whiskey at night a heavy

916
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:40,859
European diet type a character

917
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,740
high blood pressure you know you don't

918
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,560
need to look too far for conspiracy

919
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:49,680
again I will say I have used these

920
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:53,160
devices and they work more as far as a

921
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:55,380
cloud Buster goes

922
00:42:03,470 --> 00:41:59,520
for 10 years from my late 20s into my

923
00:42:06,430 --> 00:42:03,480
later 30s I was reading this material

924
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:06,440
well actually starting when I was 19

925
00:42:11,329 --> 00:42:09,420
voraciously and I understood and

926
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:11,339
accepted the principles the energetic

927
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,040
principles that the cloud Buster

928
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:17,040
operated under but it's one thing to

929
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:18,420
accept something intellectually and

930
00:42:23,089 --> 00:42:20,339
another thing to actually experience it

931
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:23,099
or see it in action and on a very

932
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,280
memorable day in probably in the later

933
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:29,520
70s a number of us who had worked as

934
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:31,560
fundraisers who went on to become the

935
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:33,780
American College of organomy in

936
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:35,640
Princeton New Jersey which I have not

937
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:37,260
had any association with for many years

938
00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:41,339
but was proud to help put into effect

939
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:42,320
um

940
00:42:48,310 --> 00:42:46,260
a local farmer who

941
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:48,320
was a friend of the college

942
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,300
allowed his property to be used for

943
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,000
demonstration and one of the best

944
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:56,400
trained Cloud Busters ever a man who I

945
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,839
still stay in touch with who lives out

946
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,119
in Oregon now

947
00:43:07,210 --> 00:43:01,680
did a demonstration it was trailer

948
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:07,220
mounted on a behind a a pickup truck

949
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:10,740
it had it was operated from a cable

950
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:13,980
drive with a long electrical wire it

951
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:17,339
when it's operating Can it can put on

952
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:21,599
a somewhat toxic field enough to make

953
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:24,720
you not feel good and in extreme cases

954
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:27,900
to give you a really bad sore throat or

955
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:31,440
a headache or whatever and it was very

956
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:33,960
methodical this is not it was not again

957
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:38,460
an operation to affect a major change in

958
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:41,400
the weather in the area but I'll tell

959
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:44,220
you Martin it it's indelible in my mind

960
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:47,579
at one point starting out uh John said

961
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:50,460
that cloud Bank over there over the next

962
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,240
10 minutes or so I am going to

963
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:55,680
remove

964
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:58,500
and then I'm going to create a cloud

965
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:01,140
Bank over here where there is none

966
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:05,400
now I'm going to cut this cloud in half

967
00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:09,480
and within maybe two minutes of

968
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:13,020
drawing on it not only did he do it but

969
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,099
if the if this Cloud Buster had 10 pipes

970
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:18,960
I don't remember

971
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:24,300
we watched in complete awe as before it

972
00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:27,240
split in half you could make out 10

973
00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:30,540
rough Jagged holes for several moments

974
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:33,140
and then dissipating and then two parts

975
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:37,020
and so on it was something I will never

976
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,240
forget and

977
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,520
on the other side of it

978
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,740
to manufacture one of these things can

979
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:45,660
be deceptively simple

980
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,450
if you you know are want to just show

981
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,160
off and create some movement in the

982
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:57,839
atmosphere so to say

983
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,440
you can create damaging conditions and

984
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:03,420
well I gotta tell I'd like to tell you a

985
00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:05,940
story if I could real quickly that had

986
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:08,520
to do with this and so when I was in my

987
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:12,480
uh 20s I'm trying to remember kind of

988
00:45:18,589 --> 00:45:15,720
early 20s I was a park ranger

989
00:45:21,309 --> 00:45:18,599
and California in the San Diego area

990
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:21,319
lower Otay Lake was the name of the park

991
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:25,440
and so I had to I had to do a talk

992
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:27,720
um and and walk people over to the dam

993
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,960
and back in oh God it seems like it was

994
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:33,119
1913. oh by the way I have a picture of

995
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:34,920
myself as a ranger now don't laugh too

996
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:37,560
hard I won't yeah okay because it's

997
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:40,500
pretty funny uh I can't speak to your

998
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:43,680
audience stuff I have a tarantula on me

999
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:46,140
that a pet tarantula here it is right

1000
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,940
here yes

1001
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:50,640
so that's me in my 20s

1002
00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:54,960
um and I'm I'm giving this talk on on

1003
00:46:02,690 --> 00:45:59,339
the damn and and all that and the the

1004
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,700
amazing thing is that they had a drought

1005
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,280
a really bad drought and they called a

1006
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:08,160
cloud Buster in that the the town or

1007
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:10,500
something was going to pay him something

1008
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:13,500
like 5 000 big money for back then like

1009
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:15,660
five thousand dollars he did the cloud

1010
00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:19,380
Buster it rained so hard the damn burst

1011
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:22,619
and it killed like 120 farmers down down

1012
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:25,079
river below the dam so they of course

1013
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:27,180
didn't pay them but that that that is a

1014
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,920
true story and I used to tell it when I

1015
00:46:33,309 --> 00:46:30,960
used to tour people

1016
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:33,319
um I've never heard that yeah

1017
00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:35,940
if you could uh look at it yeah and it

1018
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:37,859
was it wasn't

1019
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:41,520
I know that this was pre uh Wilhelm

1020
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:44,579
Reich but um it was some type of cloud

1021
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:46,859
thing that he supposedly shot up in the

1022
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,370
we're talking about

1023
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:54,660
when you say pre-will home Reich yeah

1024
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:58,079
this was this was uh in like 1913 or 15

1025
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,420
or you know what I'm going to do Peter

1026
00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:03,060
we'll talk offline and I'll get all the

1027
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:04,380
information because I used to do the

1028
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,140
talk but you know that was that was 40

1029
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:10,079
years ago you know to the best of my

1030
00:47:14,569 --> 00:47:12,060
knowledge no one had developed this

1031
00:47:15,890 --> 00:47:14,579
technology back then so it wasn't called

1032
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:15,900
the cloud Buster but it was something

1033
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,980
else

1034
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:19,200
and it was something shot up into the

1035
00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:21,420
atmosphere and I will get nothing

1036
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:23,420
nothing is shot up into the atmosphere

1037
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:26,579
with a cloud Buster yeah it's a total

1038
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:28,680
different thing but still it was it was

1039
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,660
quite a story I used to have to tell and

1040
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:32,400
uh I'll look into that and get the

1041
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:34,380
details but I know this is way off the

1042
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:36,119
UFO subject I hope people are still

1043
00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:40,200
enjoying it but didn't he aim the didn't

1044
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,119
he think that he could send the signals

1045
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:44,640
out to the UFOs or something like that

1046
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:47,640
there's no signals involved in that

1047
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,240
um or the energy focusing energy and it

1048
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:54,480
wasn't that he thought that he could he

1049
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:57,060
did and it was multiple observed and

1050
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:01,200
documented repeatedly in Maine as well

1051
00:48:07,130 --> 00:48:04,680
as the following year near Tucson where

1052
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,140
they had at least a space to use the

1053
00:48:11,329 --> 00:48:08,960
cloud buster

1054
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:11,339
specifically in one of the driest parts

1055
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:14,460
of the United States

1056
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:16,380
so that if they produce the results they

1057
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,940
were after which they did they broke

1058
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:19,680
every weather record in the history of

1059
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:22,260
Arizona it would it would be less in

1060
00:48:31,089 --> 00:48:26,040
dispute but um yes he did and each time

1061
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:31,099
that he aimed the cloud Buster at a UFO

1062
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:36,300
it either dimmed or wobbled or moved or

1063
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,619
disappeared

1064
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:39,660
wow

1065
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:42,900
that that is something else so there

1066
00:48:48,589 --> 00:48:45,540
there could be something now someone you

1067
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:48,599
said is very simplistic to create

1068
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,020
was there ever a Pat Uh patent on it

1069
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,240
that someone could reproduce something

1070
00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:57,359
no no he did not

1071
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:00,359
take out a patent on the cloud Buster or

1072
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:03,660
the uh Oregon energy accumulator and

1073
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,660
with simple schematics anybody can

1074
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:09,839
reproduce it I would say if you have any

1075
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:11,460
interest in at least learning about it

1076
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:14,940
responsibly the best

1077
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,240
book available ever published is the

1078
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:21,359
late Dr James demaio's orgone energy

1079
00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:24,540
accumulator book

1080
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:27,960
um and I think that's available from the

1081
00:49:38,589 --> 00:49:34,309
orgone biophysical research laboratory

1082
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:38,599
in Ashland Maine or just remember obrl

1083
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:43,140
a huge archive and very well documented

1084
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:46,140
yeah so this this kind of reminds me a

1085
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:47,880
little bit of Tesla I was talking to my

1086
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:49,740
friend Donna today and you know she

1087
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:51,240
brought that up it's kind of like you

1088
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:52,440
know

1089
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:56,940
mean Tesla's papers whatever happened to

1090
00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:59,339
them you know right after he died

1091
00:50:04,450 --> 00:50:01,319
um what did they ascend on his property

1092
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:04,460
when he when he died

1093
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:07,920
they they send it on his property while

1094
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:11,700
he was alive and confiscated

1095
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:12,480
um

1096
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:14,760
in the Eisenhower Administration between

1097
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,680
I think 56

1098
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:19,440
and 1960 a few months before Kennedy was

1099
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:23,940
inaugurated something like eight tons of

1100
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:27,180
original literature hardcover books

1101
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:30,540
medical journals if they had even a

1102
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:33,420
reference to the term orgone energy

1103
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:37,260
because the FDA had decided and declared

1104
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:40,440
that there was no such thing therefore

1105
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:42,599
this was some kind of fraud

1106
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:46,920
and his books were burned by the ton by

1107
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:49,800
the United States government and

1108
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:52,260
crazy it's a dark moment

1109
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:55,500
um in scientific history and one that

1110
00:51:02,270 --> 00:50:58,140
most people have no awareness of at all

1111
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:02,280
so as far as Tesla goes he died at the

1112
00:51:08,109 --> 00:51:06,300
New Yorker Hotel in 1942 following hit

1113
00:51:13,569 --> 00:51:08,119
by a car

1114
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,579
and most smart money says it was the FBI

1115
00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:16,079
that got into his room and cleaned out

1116
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:18,420
the safe uh

1117
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:21,960
I will say as a footnote I know from my

1118
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:23,460
father who

1119
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:26,280
used to Delight in sharing with me and

1120
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:28,980
occasionally other people that I was

1121
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:32,460
conceived in the hotel New Yorker while

1122
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,400
he was AWOL which means there's probably

1123
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:37,920
one chance in 300 or so

1124
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:40,260
yes that I was conceived in the room

1125
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,500
that Nicola Destra was passed away in

1126
00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:45,839
I'll leave it at that makes yeah that

1127
00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:54,109
it's true no I stayed there one night

1128
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,280
and you know what I fell asleep thinking

1129
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:59,040
could this be in the room but yeah you

1130
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:00,119
know you don't want to think about it

1131
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:02,819
too hard yeah yeah no didn't he live in

1132
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:04,980
he lived in a fairly big like a not a

1133
00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:06,900
penthouse or anything like that but but

1134
00:52:11,809 --> 00:52:09,900
a pretty sizable Suite uh wasn't it I

1135
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:11,819
have no idea but George Westinghouse

1136
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,980
could afford it and George Westinghouse

1137
00:52:19,609 --> 00:52:16,559
essentially robbed him of about a

1138
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:19,619
billion dollars absolutely so much per

1139
00:52:24,109 --> 00:52:21,720
horsepower of every electric motor that

1140
00:52:26,569 --> 00:52:24,119
was ever produced uh I don't even know

1141
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:26,579
it'd be in the trillions by now probably

1142
00:52:32,770 --> 00:52:30,540
yeah you know Tesla was

1143
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:32,780
a millennial Genius of a different sort

1144
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:35,700
and at the same time somewhat naive and

1145
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:38,579
idealistic and what Westinghouse put to

1146
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,720
him in the earlier 1900s was with your

1147
00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:45,119
discoveries and a little thing I've

1148
00:52:49,309 --> 00:52:47,400
created called General Electric we can

1149
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:49,319
transform the world in a good way but

1150
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:51,900
I'll go broke if you keep me you know to

1151
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:53,819
our original agreement so can I just pay

1152
00:52:56,049 --> 00:52:55,319
you a million dollars and we'll call it

1153
00:52:58,609 --> 00:52:56,059
even

1154
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:58,619
that's right up there with by Manhattan

1155
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:00,900
Island for 24 dollars in beads as far as

1156
00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:03,300
I'm concerned yeah yeah

1157
00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:07,079
that's something else we have uh just uh

1158
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:08,819
I think we're just about out of time

1159
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,160
Peter this show went so fast with you

1160
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,200
and I'd like to have you on sooner than

1161
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,880
later again and we'll talk about it I'll

1162
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,280
be glad to um other subjects but right

1163
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:19,920
now it's uh time for me to run this

1164
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,160
beautiful uh video showing this uh poem

1165
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:26,160
uh dedicated to 911 which was just a

1166
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:29,760
couple of days ago and uh and one thing

1167
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:33,420
he did was uh he always posted this on

1168
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:34,200
his

1169
00:53:45,890 --> 00:53:43,380
tribute to a great man lee McDonald and

1170
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:45,900
here he is with his poem right here and

1171
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:47,700
we'll be back next week everyone with

1172
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,280
Ben hurl and thank you so much and what

1173
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:52,800
what was it that he wanted me to say

1174
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:54,780
stare up in the air or something like

1175
00:54:15,950 --> 00:53:57,480
that but I'll say I would say it right

1176
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:46,880
foreign

1177
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:48,309
[Music]

1178
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:52,200
calling all Angels calling all angels

1179
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:55,500
went out his thunderous plea I am thy

1180
00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:58,380
Lord beseeching my horde to assemble in

1181
00:55:01,849 --> 00:54:59,579
front of me

1182
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:01,859
in a Flash the Angels did Dash to gather

1183
00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:04,559
at his feet and hear his plan to help

1184
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:07,859
all Man by use of Heaven's Elite

1185
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:10,260
the Devils made a play this September

1186
00:55:13,849 --> 00:55:11,099
Day

1187
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:13,859
to hurt the ones I love

1188
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:16,440
he's loosed upon Earth his demonic worth

1189
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,319
now push has come to shove

1190
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,319
I'll not stand by and have good men die

1191
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:24,720
without awareness in their heart

1192
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:28,079
so this day in my planful way a battle

1193
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:30,359
I'm going to start

1194
00:55:37,069 --> 00:55:33,960
Gabriel old friend to this end welcome

1195
00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:37,079
every woman and man that'll come our way

1196
00:55:40,849 --> 00:55:40,020
this fateful day who died by Satan's

1197
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:40,859
hand

1198
00:55:46,270 --> 00:55:43,980
and before you go you need to know a few

1199
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:46,280
you'll bring straight to me

1200
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:49,859
firefighters all now Standing Tall known

1201
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:52,740
as the 343

1202
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:55,260
with Gabriel gone and quiet the throng

1203
00:56:01,069 --> 00:55:58,380
they wandered at his plan to send and

1204
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:01,079
quell the Flames of Hell by use of

1205
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,460
mortal man

1206
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:05,280
all manner of Doubt filled the strongest

1207
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:08,460
in Stout of Heaven's holy array

1208
00:56:15,049 --> 00:56:11,160
and fear fell upon the Heavenly thrawn

1209
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,059
at the plan the Lord set this day

1210
00:56:20,690 --> 00:56:17,520
I can sense in thy Hearts hesitation to

1211
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:20,700
start a battle you don't understand

1212
00:56:27,609 --> 00:56:25,079
but confused as you Satan is too and

1213
00:56:30,349 --> 00:56:27,619
that is the heart of my plan

1214
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:30,359
fearing not for what I've wrought

1215
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,540
I'll ask none here to face his Fork but

1216
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:36,720
I'll send into hell those who fell the

1217
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:39,960
firefighters from New York and the Lord

1218
00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:42,300
raised his staff and began to laugh in

1219
00:56:47,089 --> 00:56:44,520
Roaring thunderous Glee

1220
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,099
then in a blaze they stepped from a haze

1221
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:50,160
the Angelic 343

1222
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:52,200
they fell into the line in very short

1223
00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:55,200
time making perfect formations of rose

1224
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:57,480
and the Lord caused the slip on every

1225
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:00,720
man's hip a golden Heavenly hose

1226
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:03,420
the gravest mistake Satan didn't make

1227
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:06,900
when he struck down these men so brave

1228
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:09,660
thinking Idol I'd stand not extending my

1229
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:12,900
hand and their souls I would not save

1230
00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:15,660
have no fear for the men standing here

1231
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:19,079
the way to his place they know well

1232
00:57:24,589 --> 00:57:21,540
for verily each day they've collected

1233
00:57:26,809 --> 00:57:24,599
their pay by stepping into hell

1234
00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:26,819
these men know their task now angels I

1235
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,980
ask that you hasten straight to Earth

1236
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:31,440
and comfort their friends when the tally

1237
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,960
begins and they start to question their

1238
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,040
worth

1239
00:57:39,049 --> 00:57:38,160
console them with wings and all Heavenly

1240
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:39,059
things

1241
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:42,480
on their shoulder your head is to rest

1242
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:44,520
send Whispers of thanks from our

1243
00:58:04,900 --> 00:57:46,740
Heavenly ranks say